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1 irregularities in marriage on Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:47 pm

leevanne


Arresto Menor
kapag po ba may irregularities sa formal requisites, sino po ba na party ang liable???? medyo confused lang po ako..

sabi po kasi

" an irregularity in the formal requisites does not affect the validity of the marriage, but the party or parties responsible for the irregularity shall be civiily, criminally and administratively liable "

since pinaayos lang po namin sa taga civil registry sino po ba ang liable???

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2 Re: irregularities in marriage on Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:06 pm

attyesc


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kayo at yung empleyado sa local civil registrar.

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3 Re: irregularities in marriage on Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:28 pm

leevanne


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Kami po ba na mag asawa?

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4 Re: irregularities in marriage on Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:42 pm

attyesc


Reclusion Temporal
yes.

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5 Re: irregularities in marriage on Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:54 pm

leevanne


Arresto Menor
ATTY. IM JUST CURIOUS, GANITO RIN KASI yun kina kris at james yap, irregularity din sa formal requisite, which is yun marriage license na naissue after the wedding, paaano po sila naging liable, i mean paano nila pinagbayaran sa batas yun?

sa totoo lang po atty hindi po talaga namin alam na walang naissue sa amin na marriage license nun ikinasal kami kasi nga po pinaayos lang namin sa taga civil registrar. nalaman nalang namin after 3 mos na kukuha kami ng certificate of marriage. paano po yan??

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6 Re: irregularities in marriage on Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:12 pm

attyesc


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ang liability ay hindi automatic. walang kaso kung walang magrereklamo.

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7 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:18 am

leevanne


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What if kung asawa ko po ang nagreklamo? Liable din po ba siya? Ssinampahan po kasi Kami ng asawa ko ng falsification of public documents/used of falsified documents. Pinalalabas niya pinagawa daw siya ng affidavit of cohabitation kahit wala naman.. Dun po kasi sa certificate of marriage namin yUN Jan 10 2012 na kasal namin naging march 22 2012. Pati yun issued ng marriage license nakalagay March 22 2012. Nalaman po. Ny after 2 months ng wedding namin kasi mag aayos sya ng philhelth, and sabi ko po ayusin but he refused. Okay na daw yun. Then after 6 months naghiwalay kami, then nito lang July 2014 nagkaso siya. Gumanti po kasi kinasuhan ko ra9262. Inurong ko lang p o kasi May sakit anak namin na primary complex. Paano po yan atty? Since may irregularity po sa marriage namin kahit siya po nagsampa ng case liable din ba siya?

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8 Question to attyesc on Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:00 am

AWV


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Questions to attyesc - in order to obtain a marriage license is it possible to get it within 1 day and get married the next day?

I asked because one of my colleague was a victim of fake marriage certificate perhaps made in Recto as they live nearby there. She said her signature was copied due to this man asked her to sign a blank paper (she was told at the time that he will approach his lawyer friend to put in writing that he is not responsible to maintain his children if she leaves him) she didn't know he will use this signature to produce a fake marriage certificate. And what is more surprising is that this man managed to register it to NSO because he has friend working at the City Hall in Manila but in the marriage certificate it was held in Pasay City. My friend was not aware of it so she didn't know she has an existing marriage with him. Recently she went home and asked for CENOMAR but this marriage was in her record! She left 15 years ago and came back with different citizenship.

We all know before getting married there's a proper processing like seminar etc right? What can she file against the father of her children? She is not aware this was done for years. †confused

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9 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:44 am

attyesc


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hi awv. the civil registrar is directed to post a notice of the application for marriage license for a minimum period of 10 days. so it is highly irregular if the license was issued on the same day that the parties applied for it.

there was no marraige ceremony which took place? basta nakita na lang na registered na? your friend may petition for the nullification of the marriage and sue the husband and the city hall employee for falsification of public documents.

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10 irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:01 am

leevanne


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leevanne wrote:What if kung asawa ko po ang nagreklamo? Liable din po ba siya? Ssinampahan po kasi Kami ng asawa ko ng falsification of public documents/used of falsified documents. Pinalalabas niya pinagawa daw siya ng affidavit of cohabitation kahit wala naman.. Dun po kasi sa certificate of marriage namin yUN Jan 10 2012 na kasal namin naging march 22 2012. Pati yun issued ng marriage license nakalagay March 22 2012. Nalaman po. Ny after 2 months ng wedding namin kasi mag aayos sya ng philhelth, and sabi ko po ayusin but he refused. Okay na daw yun. Then after 6 months naghiwalay kami, then nito lang July 2014 nagkaso siya. Gumanti po kasi kinasuhan ko ra9262. Inurong ko lang p o kasi May sakit anak namin na primary complex. Paano po yan atty? Since may irregularity po sa marriage namin kahit siya po nagsampa ng case liable din ba siya?
atty pasagot naman po ito,thank u po

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11 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:06 am

attyesc


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falsification ang kaso? wala bang partisipasyon ang husband mo dito? pineke nyo ba ang pirma nya? kung wala syang partisipasyon sa falsification, hindi sya magiging liable.

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12 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:28 am

leevanne


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Naku hindi po namin pineke prima niya. Siya po mismo pumirna at may mga pictures po kami na pumipirma kasama mga ninang at ninong he never sign din po sa blank paper makikita po yun kapag nai zoom pictures namin na napirma. Nun kumuha nga po siya ng certificate of marriage namin ayaw na niya ipabago pa po. Kasi gagamitin niya po sa philhealth. Para po walang away sabi ko nalang bahala siya.

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13 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:42 am

attyesc


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sorry di ko maintindihan. bakit kayo kinasuhan? dahil sa error sa date ng marriage? anong kinalaman nyo dun?

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14 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:58 am

leevanne


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Naku kaya nga po eh,gumawa ng kuwento, Dahil daw po yun marriage licence issued March 22 2012 kinasal po kami jan 10 2012, pati ang naging date of marriage namin sa marriage contract naging march 22 2012.

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15 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:03 pm

attyesc


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error lang naman sa date. maraming cases na ganyan. di naman necessary na yung parties na ang nagfalsify. minsan error ng encoder yan sa civil registrar. anyway, since criminal case ang falsification, mahirap iprove na guilty kayo kung wala syang evidence.

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16 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:41 pm

leevanne


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Kaya nga po atty, Saka may evidence naman kami na di siya pumirma sa blank paper. At hindi tlga siya pinaexecute ng affidavit of cohabitation katulad ng sinasabi niya. Nun ikinasal kami alam po namin talaga okay na lahat, pinaayos kasi namin yun license namin sa friend ng kapatid. Na tags civil registrar. Since siya din po Nag ayos ng kasal ng kapatid ko,naging ok naman kasal ng kapatid ko,kaya nun ako naman po ikakasal nagtiwala po kami na Magagawa niya ng maayos. Dumating po araw ng kasal namin yun nag ayos po ng papel namin ang nagforward sa rev. Nasimulan at natapos po ang kasal namin na alam namin ok lahat na may marriage license, until yun nga po after 2 mos ng kasal kami kumuha asawa ko ng copy ng certificate of marriage sa civil registrar. Dun namin napag alaman na
Na instead jan 102012 naging march 222012, kasal. Namin pati issued ng license March222012 kaya parang lumalabas naikasal kami ng walang license, since may irregularity po sa marriage namin sino po liable? Civil registrar po ba?

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17 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:59 pm

attyesc


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punta muna kayo sa civil registrar at subukan nyong ipacorrect. typo error lang yan.

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18 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:08 pm

leevanne


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pumunta na po kami. sa supreme court po daw po dapat maipa correct. atty. paano po kapag may criminal case na falsification of documents/ used of falsified documents and at the same time nagfile siya ng civilcase na declaration of nullity. sa paranaque rtc branch paano po magiging proseso nun? since na may anak po ako na may kapansanan.

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19 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:24 pm

attyesc


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leevanne, falsification of public documents is a criminal offense and the penalty is prision correccional or imprisonment from 1 year and 1 day to six years. pero kailangan ang guilt nyo must is proven beyond reasonable doubt. kailangan nyang patunayan na pineke ang mga dokumento. pwede nyong maging defense na lahat ng documents ay valid at nagkamali lang ang civil registrar sa pagkakalagay ng date ng marriage.

yung petition for declaration of nullity, ano ang ground nya? lack of marriage license ba? siguro gusto nya talagang palabasin na pineke ang mga dokumento para madaling mapawalang-bisa ang kasal nyo. anyway, kuha ka na lang ng lawyer mo para maprotekahan mo rin ang sarili mo.

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20 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:13 pm

AWV


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attyesc wrote:hi awv. the civil registrar is directed to post a notice of the application for marriage license for a minimum period of 10 days. so it is highly irregular if the license was issued on the same day that the parties applied for it.

there was no marraige ceremony which took place? basta nakita na lang na registered na? your friend may petition for the nullification of the marriage and sue the husband and the city hall employee for falsification of public documents.

Thank you so much for the kind answer! This is an important things I've learned today! I will tell her that she has been a victim of falsifications.

Walang ceremony kasi hindi nya alam eh! Nalaman lang after 15 years dahil she was out of the country all that time but it was done before she left the country without her knowing she has a marriage existed. And take note! blackmail pa sya ng her own relatives na kasal sya sa mokong na drug addict na †nakakulong na ngayon for section 5/11 drugs.

What if the City hall employee is not really involve as she was told presumably it's done from Recto. Dahil meron nga pinapirma sa kanya na blank paper.

I really appreciate your useful answer and God bless!

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21 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:54 pm

attyesc


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the civil registrar is a nominal party only because the document was issued by them. generally, the employee will not be held liable unless it can be proven that he connived with the person to falsify the document. the marriage was registered 15 years ago pa? please take note that criminal cases must be brought within a certain period of time. after the lapse of that time, the action shall be barred. in case of falsification, it should be brought within 10years from discovery of the falsification.  kaya kung lately lang nya nalaman, pwede pa.

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22 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:42 pm

AWV


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Thanks a lot! She has evidence kasi recently lang sya nag apply ng CENOMAR kaya she will deal with it if and when she go home again.
Lately lang napatunayan na yung mga pamba blackmail ng mag kapatid nya ay totoo kasi she ignore it simply because hindi naman sya guilty kaya it's not her fault not to believe it kasi she knows herself nga na wala naman syang pinakasalan.
I hope malalaman naman at recorded sa NSO na totoong she recently apply for CENOMAR at NSO right? Kasi this will be the only proof she has that she has no knowledge of this records with NSO. Another thing she is no longer Filipino citizen will she have problem if she don't bother to even process for nullification? Kasi she always received threats from her siblings that if she step in the country, they will have her killed buy a gunman. We all know there are lots of riding in tandem so they may pretend she was a victim of them.
I really appreciate your kind answer.

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23 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:29 pm

attyesc


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yes, she can claim that she only discovered the offense when she got a cenomar.

if shes no longer a Filipino citizen, our Philippine laws will no longer apply to her. so theres no need to petition for nullification.

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24 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:58 pm

AWV


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attyesc wrote:yes, she can claim that she only discovered the offense when she got a cenomar.

if shes no longer a Filipino citizen, our Philippine laws will no longer apply to her. so theres no need to petition for nullification.

GREAT! So all the blackmail her siblings do is actually rubbish!

She is actually married to a foreigner for 15 years (and she was never asked for CENOMAR when she married abroad,) that's how she obtained the citizenship. But when she intend to get dual nationality this year, she was curios to verify na Kung totoo ang mga blackmail ng siblings nya na may 2 records of marriage certificate sya kaya sya kumuha ng CENOMAR only to find out na meron pala silang pinanghahawakan sa mga PAMBABLACKMAIL nila! As she said recently lang nya na confirm ito dahil nga kumuha sya ng CENOMAR. At least alam na nya na she doesn't need to get a dual nationality incase those siblings see an opportunity to continue blackmailing her.

Daghan salamat attyesc!

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25 Re: irregularities in marriage on Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:02 pm

leevanne


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Atty, sa summons na ipinadala ng asawa ko na civil case na nullity of marriage bakit po nakalagay within 5. Days pumunta po ako sa court kung San inaudible UN civilcase, di po ba dapat within 15 days ang palugit sa akin, ang hirap po kasi ng sitwasyon ko lalo may anak ako.

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