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1 Two Marriage on Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:37 pm

ec11


Arresto Menor
Ask lang po, pwde bang makasuhan ng bigamy ang father ko kung legally married sya dito sa Philippines and pumunta sya ng Saudi para magwork, ngaun 26 or 27 years na syang nagwowork sa Saudi, then nag paconvert into muslim at meron na din syang asawa doon, di ko din maconfirm kung anak nila yung nakikita ko sa FB nya.

Hoping for your reply.

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2 Re: Two Marriage on Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:24 pm

attyesc


Reclusion Temporal
hindi pwedeng kasuhan kung sa abroad nagpakasal. outside sa jurisdiction ng philippines.

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3 Re: Two Marriage on Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:03 pm

AWV


Reclusion Perpetua
Also the fact that he converted into a Muslim religion, he can now divorce your mother.

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4 Re: Two Marriage on Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:04 pm

attyesc


Reclusion Temporal
conversion to muslim is not a defense in bigamy. please refer to this case:
http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/jurisprudence/2011/september2011/191425.html

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5 Re: Two Marriage on Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:27 am

AWV


Reclusion Perpetua
@attyesc

This is where this scenario went wrong.

He claimed that the private complaint knew that he was a Muslim convert prior to their marriage because she [sic] told this fact when he was courting her in Saudi Arabia and the reason why said private complainant filed the instant case was due to hatred having learned of his second marriage with Rowena P. Geraldino. She [sic] further testified that Rowena P. Geraldino was not aware of his first marriage with the private complainant and he did not tell her this fact because Rowena P. Geraldino is a Catholic and he does not want to lose her if she learns of his first marriage.

He explained that in his Marriage Contract with Jesusa Pinat, it is indicated that he was a ‘Catholic Pentecostal’ but that he was not aware why it was placed as such on said contract. In his Marriage Contract with Rowena P. Geraldino, the religion ‘Catholic’ was also indicated because he was keeping as a secret his being a Muslim since the society does not approve of marrying a Muslim. He also indicated that he was ‘single’ despite his first marriage to keep said first marriage a secret (TSN, January 30, 2006, pages 2-13).

If he declare on his marriage contract he is Muslim this won't go wrong!

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6 Re: Two Marriage on Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:38 am

attyesc


Reclusion Temporal
Indeed, Article 13(2) of the Code of Muslim Personal Laws states that “[i]n case of a marriage between a Muslim and a non-Muslim, solemnized not in accordance with Muslim law or this Code, the [Family Code of the Philippines, or Executive Order No. 209, in lieu of the Civil Code of the Philippines] shall apply.”

Kung ang lalake ay unang kinasal noong sya ay Christian pa, ang Family Code ang applicable sa unang kasal. Sabi ng Family Code, bago magpakasal sa pangalawang pagkakataon, dapat nadissolve muna ang unang kasal. Kapag hindi nadissolve yan at nagcontract ka ng subsequent marriage, bigamy yan. Kaya yung mga nagpapaconvert to Islam for the purpose of remarriage, liable pa rin yan kung hindi pa naannul ang unang kasal. Otherwise, people will be allowed to easily circumvent the law by simply putting up the defense of conversion to Muslim. For your info. Thanks Smile

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7 Re: Two Marriage on Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:26 pm

AWV


Reclusion Perpetua
Remember Robin Paddilla's case? He decided to convert to Muslim in order to divorce his first wife Liezl Sicangco before he can marry his long time live-in partner Mariel Rodriguez.
If you come to think he is lucky to get away with concubinage.

I must say, some men are using this Islamic religion as their escape route.



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8 Re: Two Marriage on Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:46 pm

attyesc


Reclusion Temporal
http://connie.casaveneracion.com/2010/09/28/annulment-and-bigamy/

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9 Re: Two Marriage on Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:00 pm

AWV


Reclusion Perpetua
Geez! hindi lang pala concubinage, pasok pa sya sa bigamy! Kaya dapat hindi na lang sila tumuntong sa Pinas kung meron mang maghahabol! or better yet ipatumba na ang mga likely na maghabol! Razz

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10 Re: Two Marriage on Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:03 pm

attyesc


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haha. thats true. kaya dapat iremind yung mga lalake na wag magconvert sa muslim para lang makapangasawa ulit. igalang ang relihiyong Islam at wag gamitin sa pansariling dahilan. Smile

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11 Re: Two Marriage on Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:16 pm

AWV


Reclusion Perpetua
I must say that is a very good article you posted there! Interesting how people has the idea of marrying outside Philippines jurisdictions to use as defence if any problem occurs having two marriages. m3

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12 Re: Two Marriage on Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:16 pm

ec11


Arresto Menor
Sir/Mam,

Pano po iyon hindi po Annul ang kasal nila ni mama as Catholic dito sa Philippines, nagpaconvert sya ng muslim sa Saudi and dun na din nagpakasal, if ever na bumalik po ba sya dito sa Philippines maari ba syang makasuhan o ano ho ba ang habol ni mama at kaming mga anak nya sa kanya. Ang alam ko po kasi valid ang kasal nila sa Saudi lang as Muslim. At kung magpapaconvert into muslim dapat kaya mung suportahan kung ilan man ang iyong pamilya db. "Ang gusto lang ho namin ni mama na maging sapat at tama kung ano dapat ang para sa pamilya niya dito sa Pilipinas".

Mas Lalo kasing nililiitan ni Papa ang pinapadala nyang pera hindi na kasi nagiging sapat para sa pag aaral ng kapatid kong nasa college at high school at pangkaen namin sa araw araw. Nagrerent lang din kami ng bahay since na ibinenta ng lola ko (father side) ang bahay namin nuon. No read no write po kasi ang mama ko kaya ganun na lang ang trato nila sa kanya, kaya po ako yung nagiging tagapag tanggol ng mama ko. Mahaba po ang istorya ng buhay ko, kaya sana po ay maunawaan nyu po ako, Gusto ko lang din na makapagtapos ng maayos ang aking mga kapatid.

Maraming salamat po.

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13 Re: Two Marriage on Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:12 pm

AWV


Reclusion Perpetua
Pakasuhan mo ng bigamy ang father mo siguradong pasok yan dahil bago sya makapag asawa muli dapat ANNUL/DIVORCE nya MUNA mother mo or declare nya ang marriage nya sa mother mo, malamang hindi nya declare kaya nakapag pakasal sya ng walang approval ng mother mo. Saka kung Pilipina rin ang pinakasalan kahit na nagpa convert pa sya ng hindi pa na dissolved ang first marriage nya sa mother mo kailangan din ng first wife ng approval bago sya makasal sa second wife after conversion. Siguradong naka rehistro ang kasal nila sa NSO dahil iforward ng Philippine Embassy ang marriage nila. Pero kung foreigner eh labas ng Philippines jurisdictions yan. Kahit illiterate pa mother mo batas na ang hahatol sa father mo! gabayan nyo na lang at wag pumayag kung hindi sya makipag settle ng ayon sa demand nyo!

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14 Re: Two Marriage on Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:24 am

ec11


Arresto Menor
Maraming maraming salamat po sa tulong at pagunawa sa problem/article na pinost ko, sana ay marami pa kayong matulungan at sana makatulong din itong mga advice para sa nakakaranas kung ano man ang mayroon ang pamilya namin ngayon. More power and blessings po!

Maraming salamat po ulit.

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15 Re: Two Marriage on Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:31 pm

AWV


Reclusion Perpetua
Basta kapag meron kang hindi maintindihan sa resulta ng kaso ng mother mo umasa kang makakahanap ka dito ng sagot. Maraming member dito and makakatulong na sagutin ang mga katanungan mo!

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16 Re: Two Marriage on Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:59 pm

qiqi


Arresto Menor
i am divorce for 14yrs to my japanese husband then after i had 7yrs relationship to a filipino guy then we decided to get married i am already resident here in Japan and we already decided to leave here but during the processing ive learned his married already why this happen how he can able to marry me actually we dont have any ceremony civil only at Quezon City City hall only signing thats all im not familiar in Philippines . I didnt tell him i knew it but i stop filing it here this marriage is null so what should i do what r the requirements should i bring can i make this alone i am planning not to see him anymore. pls i am in urgent want to take actons asap i dont want to mess my life if his wife knew about it thats y decided not to tell him pls help thanks

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17 Re: Two Marriage on Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:28 pm

Victoria_Salazar


Arresto Menor
That's right, your marriage with this filipino guy is null and void since his first marriage is still valid, if your case is here in the Philippines. Moreso, if the guy is in the philippines and you are petitioning him (?). But if the guy is already in japan and you met him there, that's a different case.

However, if the first wife learns the situation, she can include you if ever she'll file a case against her husband. You can not simply reason out that you didn't know that the guy is married.

And so, if ever another Filipino guy will catch you heart again, better secure a cenomar copy of his from NSO (cenomar- certificate of no marriage Smile

Furthermore, if you're not wishing for a complicated life, then "free" this guy because love isn't there. How could you live with a guy who's from the start is a professional cheater?? Most probably, he's just seeing you as a goldmine. Just my opinion Smile




^_^ ::imnotalawyer::

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18 Re: Two Marriage on Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:28 pm

JackJJJ


Arresto Menor
Pareho po tau ng situation. Kso nkasal n cla 2years ago n then nxt year of feb. Mgppaannul n sya sakin. Msyado po complikado at mgulo sna mreplyan nyo rin po a mssage ko

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19 Re: Two Marriage on Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:55 pm

makisingit lang po,so pwedi ko pong kasuhan ang asawa ko at ang babaing pinakasalan nya,alam ng bBaing muslim na pamilyado ang lalaki ngunit pinilit pakasalan sya nagpa convert din si mr. sa muslim,mismong ang babae at nag ttext sakin na kinasal sila sa muslim ano sng pwedi kung ikaso po sa kanila may isa din silang anak pero walang bertcert at kahit ang kasal nila sa muslim wala ding papel attory ano kaso pwede ko isampa sa kanila?

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20 Re: Two Marriage on Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:50 am

Carina0620


Arresto Menor
Ako po yung nagsulat about sa 'child support issue'. Foreign po yung asawa ko at ikinasal kami nung 2011. Isang taon lang po kaming kasal at hindi na naging maganda ang relasyon namin dahil sa magkalayo kami. Nabawasan na rin po ang padala nung mga sumunod na taon at hanggang itinigil na nya ang suporta kahit para na lang sa anak namin na babae na bumaba sa halagang $140 kada buwan. Nalaman ko po na wala akong magagawa tungkol sa pagpapakasal nya nung nakaraang taon sa Vietnam. Ang gusto ko lang po ay maihabol ko ang karapatan ng anak namin. Ano po ba ang dapat kong gawin? Napakaraming requirements ang kailangan sa US embassy para mairehistro ko ang anak ko bilang legal na US citizen dahil sa birth certificate nya American po sya. May mga papeles na kailangan manggaling sa asawa ko pero sigurado po ako na hindi na sya gagawa ng kung ano mang pabor para sa amin. Dahil marami po syang mga binitiwang salita sa kin at pananakot. Ngayon po ay wala kaming kahit ano mang komunikasyon. Alam ko po ang SS number nya sa US.
Please po. Kailangan ko ng tulong nyo. Salamat po.

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21 Re: Two Marriage on Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:08 pm

Carina0620


Arresto Menor
Wala yatang kayang sumagot ng case ko... Sad

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22 Re: Two Marriage on Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:37 pm

AWV


Reclusion Perpetua
Born American ang anak mo so bring the birth certificate at the American Embassy. They will acknowledge her as an American citizen. You don't necessarily have to ask his permission. Explain mo sa American Embassy na abandon ang anak mo ng father nya guide ka nila dun kung ano ang dapat gawin.

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23 Re: Two Marriage on Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:42 pm

Katrina288


Reclusion Perpetua
Carina0620 wrote:Wala yatang kayang sumagot ng case ko... Sad

Hi, I replied to your original post "Child support issue"

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24 Re: Two Marriage on Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:01 am

Carina0620


Arresto Menor
AWV;
Thank you po sa advice!

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25 Re: Two Marriage on Thu May 07, 2015 3:50 pm

raheemerick


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@nonajean

kung hndi legal or walang proper document ang kasal ng asawa mo sa babaeng muslim, nangangahulugan lng na hndi pa sila "kasal" ayun sa kanilang religion.

at kung mag ka ganon at kaya mong patunayan na walang documento ang kanilang kasal at hndi naka rehistro sa nso or sa [hil. islamic afair?

maaring ang asawa mo ay suma-sa ilalim sa usaping concubinage or pag kakaron ng sexual na relation sa hindi nya asawa.

maari kng mag sampa ng kaso laban sa kanila sa kasong concubinage sa iyong asawa at concubine naman sa babaeng muslim.

yan eh kung cgurado kng wlang sapat na documento ang kanilang kasal at hndi valid ayun sa sharika or islam rule.

pero????

baka naman kc nasa processing period pa ang kasal at kasalukuyan pa lng na makaka rating sa civil reg at nso kya wla pa marriage cert?

wag ka kc masyado excited!! Smile

then another tip.. pag araln mo din ang marital state ni babae kung sya ba ay tunay na dalaga bago sya mapakasalan ng iyong malikot na asawa?

kung sakaling hndi? ay may pananagutan sya sa batas ng islam.

enshalah..

at kung legal na kinilala naman ang pag babalik islam ng iyong asawa at ganap ang kanyang pagiging muslim?

im sory to tell pero hndi ka maaring mag sampa ng kasong bigamy sa mga lalaking muslim. sapagkat according to there rights base sa kanilang religion (muslim) karapatan nila na mag pakasal ng hindi hihigit sa apat (4) na beses kung sila ay may kakayanan sa financial, katawan, isipan at kalagayan.

regarding sa mga ref sa prev comment. i agreed na guilty sa bigamy ang 2 dspite ng documented ang lalake sa pagiging muslim.

ang sinasabi kasing pwde sa hndi hihigit sa apat na beses na makapag asawang muli ang isang muslim. ay pa tungkol sa mga solid at genuine na pamumuhay ayun sa relihiyong islam mula ulo hanggang paa.

sa nabanggit na ref kc. its really ovbious sa akusado at hndi sya nagawang iligtas sa bigamy ng mga documento nya bilang isang balik islam.

maari pa sana sya ma absuelto kung ang una at pangalawang kasal nya ay ginanap at pinag tibay mismo sa karapatan at paraan ng islam. at hndi sa mga personal nyang dahilan kung bakit sa halip ay sa catholic church sya nag pakasal. kaya maging ang indication dun o relihiyon kung saan sya talaga nabibilang ang nag pahina sa kanyang depensa.

yan ang kaibahan ng mga genuine muslim at mga muslim-musliman:)

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