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1 karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:40 pm

axelwen rose


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Sa Kinauukulan,

humihingi po sana ako ng tulong o payo tungkol sa aking asawa na kung ano ang dapat kong gawin at ano ang karapatan ko at ng aking mga anak dahil sa pagtalikod nya sa kanyang mga obligayon pra sa amin ng 2 anak ko at ano po ang pinakamabisa na pde ko ikaso sknya?,ganito po ang pangyayari sa buhay namin taong 1996 nakaalis po ang aking asawa pra magtrabaho sa bansang japan pro po TNT po sya doonskadahilanang wla po syang trabaho d2 me mga kapatid din po sya na 2 babae doon na ngtratrabaho sa japan nkaka3 months plang po sya sa japan napasimulan ko na pong ipagawa ang aming bahay unti unti pro po ng mag iisang taon po sya sa japan unti unting ngbabago madalang na po sya tumawag at sinabi niya sa akin na ihinto muna ang pagpapagawa ng bahay iipunin muna daw nya ang pampagawa hanggang sa nahinto po ang pagpapagawa ng aming bahay at marami nrin pong nabago sa mga dati nia ginagawa tulad ng pagtawag madalas na pong hindi na sya natawag sa amin ng mga anak niahangang sa me tumatawag na babae sa akin na hindi nagpapakilala kung sino sya babae po sya at ang sinasabi nya po sa akin ay niloloko raw po aq ng asawa ko dahil meron na itong kinakasama sa japan at katunayan daw po me anak na daw po sa babae at Gina daw po ang pangalan ng babae tinatanong ko po yung tumatawag kung sino naman sya bigla nalamang po binababa ang telepono at tatawag na naman s ibang araw hangang sa pati padala sa amin ng asawa ko ay kulang na kulang na at merong mga months na wla syang padala sa amin kung ano ano dinadahilan kesyo wlang trabaho byenan ko po ang ngsasabi skin pinasasabi raw pokung magpadala nman hindi na tulad ng dati hangang sa nagkakautang utang ako sa dahilang sa private nga aaral ang 2 kong anak simula kinder hanggang highschool.hanggang sa dumating din ang time na sa byenan ko na pinadadala ang pra sa amin pra isahan nalang daw po ang bayad sa door to door inaabot nalang sa akin ng byenan ko ang para sa amin na halos kulang umabot sa isang lapad ang pinaka mababa na inaabot sa akin ng byenan kohindi po ako makapagtanong dahil inuunahan na aq ng byenan ko na wla daw pong trabaho hangang sa hindi na po aq nakatiis nagtry po ako na tawagan na ang aking asawa sa japan hangang sa ang nakausap ko po ay babae na talagang hawig ng boses ng babaeng tumatawag sa akin na hndi nagpapakilala at ngsusumbong na me kinakasama ang asawa ko sa japan ng disguise po aq na tyahin aq ng asawa ko at tinawag ko po sya sa pangalang Gina na tinandaan ko na pangalang daw ng babae ng asawa ko umamin po sya na sya nga si Gina hanggang sa umamin ako sa kanya na ako ang tunay na asawa ng aking asawa kinausap ko po sya ng mahinahon para lang umamin sya na sya ang babae na aking asawa at tinanong ko rn po kung me anak na sila umamin din po na 2 years na ang anak nla ng asawa koang pamilya ng asawa ko ay alam din nila ang ginagawa ng asawa ko kaya ganun nalang pagtatakip nla at nahahlata ko na prang iba na ang turing nla sa akinprang unti unti nila akong tinatabla nung time na yun hinihintay ko ang paliwanag ng asawa ko sa pamamagitan ng pagtawag ngunit kapatid nya ang pinatawag nya sa akin at pinakausap na wag naraw akong mag alala hindi naman daw kami pababayaan ng asawa ko sa sustento sa aming magiina wla nman po aq magawa dahil hindi ko makausap ang aking asawa at that time wla na akong trabaho pra magmalaki sa asawa ko kasi nagtratrabaho ako noon sa factory pinatigil nya ako dahil sya raw po ang me obligasyon pra buhayin kami ng mga anak ko at akya nga raw sya paumunta ng japan pra sa amin magiina mag alaga nlang daw po ako ng anak namin kya ganun po ang aking ginawa tumigil ako sa trabaho at umasa sa kanya hanggang sa dumating na pinasuko nya yung babae nya [pra madeport kasi TNT rin po yung babae pati anak nila na deport at buntis pa sa pangalawang anak nila ung babae ng umuwi dito sa pinas ngsawalang kibo po ako noon kasi ibinalik nya ang padala sa akin pra sa mga anak namin hindi na sa byenan ko simula noong natawagan ko ang babae niya ng madeport po ang babae at anak nila sinundo pa po ng mga kapatid nya at byenan ko ang babae sa airport pati anak niya ng palihim ngunit nalaman ko rin kasi malapit lang sa akin ang bahay ng byenan ko tapos po nangupahan sila sa isang subdivision na malapit lang dito sa lugar namin na kasama sa bahay ang byenan ko ginawa nila lahat sa akin yun kasi patunay nila sa babae na papanindigan ang anak sa knya at napapayag ng asawa ko na sumuko pra umuwi dto sa pinas ang babae kasma ang anak nla sa dahilang natatakot narin ang asawa ko na baka mahuli din sya kapag magkakasama prin sila doonpro hindi nakatagalan ang byenan ko at ang babae na magkasama sa isang bahay umuwi ang babae sa manila sa pamilya nya ksama ang mga anak nila hangang sa sinusustentuhan nalang din niya 2 din ang anak niya doon hindi na kasi nakabalik ang babae sa japan hangang sa ngdecide na mag asawa ng haponesa ang aking asawa hindi ko alam kong paano sila kinasal o nakasal doon sinabi sa akin ng asawa ko na pra mag karoon sya ng papel pra din daw sa amin ng mga anak nya ung gagawin niya kapag me papel na sya sa pamaagitan ng haponesa pra malaya syang makapagtrabaho sa japan at madadala din daw nya mga anak namin at ako pag nangyari un babangon daw po sya pra mabago at pra sa mga anak namin inasahan ko po un alang alang sa kapakanan ng aming mga anakayaw naman po niyang tumigil sa pag jajapan ayaw daw po niya maghirap dtowla po ako nagawa sa mga gusto nya at ginusto kundi pra sa mga bata nalnghumingi din po sya ng tawad sa akin pinatawad ko po sya pra sa kapakanan ng anak namin dahil nagaaral pa ang mga bata at sa pangako ng kapatid niyang panganay na sya na ang nagsasabi na hindi kami pababayaan ng asawa ko pati asawa ko nangako sya na tuloy ang sustento nya sa amin at wla kaming usapang hiwalay na kmi hangang nakisama po sya sa haponesa hindi ko po alam kung papaano sya nagkaroon ng papel kung nakasal sila ng haponesa or na peke nya ang papeles nya pra makapagpakasal kasi po alam ko me papel na sya nagkaroon po ng 1 nak sya sa haponesa pagkaraan po ng 2 years nakipaghiwalay po sya sa haponesa ang anak po nila ay nanatili sa poder ng haponesa hanggang sa nakakilala na naman sya ng pinay doon sa japan yun po nakisama na nmn sya sa pinay doon sa japan hangang sa bumalik na nmn sya sa dati niyang gawain na me month na wlang padala sa amin kung mgpadala halos kulang dami na po nya sinusustentuhan na sya rin ang me kagagawan at kami ng aking mga anak ang nahihirapan at sya rin ang gumawa ng hirap nya at ang natagpuan nyang babae ngaun eh demanding at nagffeling sya ang tunay na asawa nag kaanak na naman sya sa babae nya ngaun 1 at mahigit isang taon gulang plang po ngaun sa kasalukuyan babae po ang naging anak nya sa babae nya ngaun bale 4 po ang naging anak nya sa labas sa 3 babae nya mga unang months ng taong 2014 halos bihira sya magpadala at kung hindi mo pa kukulitin wlang kusa hangang sa umabot na 4k nlng minsan binibigay nya at hindi na monthly hangang sa kinausap ko po sya sa viber na hindi na tama ginagawa nya at hindi ganun usapan namin hindi na po sya nakikiusap ngaun sa akin kinakatwiran niya sa akin magulang din daw ako at ako raw po maghanap ng pera sa amin at hindi raw po niya babae ang kinakasama niya asawa daw po nya yun at galit pa po sya umabuso po kasi sya at mahigpit po ngaun ang babae nya kasal po kami sa civil dito sa cavite at wla kming kasulatan o usapan na hiwalay pro prang gusto na nyang takasan ang obligasyon nya sa amin hangang sa ngaun po wla po syang [pinadadala sa amin at kasalukuyang nagtratrabaho pa sya sa japan hanggang ngaun kasama ang babae nya doon.. sna po matulungan nyo po ako kung ano po ang dapat gawin ng magtino po sya sa masama nyang ugali kasi po nagmamalaki pa po sya porket me papel na sya hind na po sya marunong makiusap sya pa matapang at nagsasalita ng pag mamalaki.. hindi narin niya iniisip mga nank niya...maraming salamat po sana po bigyan nyo ng pansin ang sulat kong ito ....Rowena dasmarinas cavite

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2 Re: karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:34 pm

concepab


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Medyo mahaba ate ang letter mo, parang pang lovingly yours Helen. Very Happy

Anyways po, hindi ko na tinapos dahil mukang kagaya din ng ibang case ang kakamantungan. Bilang legal wife po, nasa iyo ang lahat ng karapatan sa asawa. May karapatan kayo ng mga anak from moral support, love and caring and financial support from your husband. ngayon po try to decide kung ano po ang gusto mo mangyari sa asawa mo? gusto mo ba siyang makulong or gusto mo gapanan nya ang tungkulin nya suportahan kayo ng anak mo.

Kung hahabulin mo po ang kaso ng conccubinage or bigamy, kailangan mo po ng matibay na ebidensya and since limited ang resources mo at nasa ibang bansa sila. IMO, mahirap mapatunayan. Ang maipapayo ate ay sampahan mo ng kaso RA9262. psychological, emotional and financials abuse. mas maganda yung kasi mas mahaba ang kulong kumpanara sa concubinage.

Subukan mo ate na lumapit sa POA baka maka-kuha ka ng libreng legal service. May mga law colleges din na nabibigay ng libreng legal service. tyagaan nga lang at pakiusapan kasi mga busy din ang mga tao dun.

Good luck po.

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3 Re: karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:23 pm

paperchase


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go go go concepab... your on the right track...

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4 Re: karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:50 pm

AWV


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concepab wrote:Medyo mahaba ate ang letter mo, parang pang lovingly yours Helen. Very Happy

Anyways po, hindi ko na tinapos dahil mukang kagaya din ng ibang case ang kakamantungan. Bilang legal wife po, nasa iyo ang lahat ng karapatan sa asawa. May karapatan kayo ng mga anak from moral support, love and caring and financial support from your husband. ngayon po try to decide kung ano po ang gusto mo mangyari sa asawa mo? gusto mo ba siyang makulong or gusto mo gapanan nya ang tungkulin nya suportahan kayo ng anak mo.

Kung hahabulin mo po ang kaso ng conccubinage or bigamy, kailangan mo po ng matibay na ebidensya and since limited ang resources mo at nasa ibang bansa sila. IMO, mahirap mapatunayan. Ang maipapayo ate ay sampahan mo ng kaso RA9262. psychological, emotional and financials abuse. mas maganda yung kasi mas mahaba ang kulong kumpanara sa concubinage.

Subukan mo ate na lumapit sa POA baka maka-kuha ka ng libreng legal service. May mga law colleges din na nabibigay ng libreng legal service. tyagaan nga lang at pakiusapan kasi mga busy din ang mga tao dun.

Good luck po.

You forgotten to ask if the husband still goes back to the Philippines since he already have documentation in Japan which only means he managed somehow to become Japanese citizen.

http://www.moj.go.jp/ENGLISH/information/tnl-01.html

Article 7
The Minister of Justice may permit the naturalization of an alien who is the spouse of a Japanese national notwithstanding that the said alien does not fulfill the conditions set forth in items (1) and (2) of paragraph 1 of Article 5, if the said alien has had a domicile or residence in Japan for three consecutive years or more and is presently domiciled in Japan. The same rule shall apply in the case where an alien who is the spouse of a Japanese national has been married with the Japanese national for three years or more and has had a domicile in Japan for one consecutive year or more.

Somebody has to dig in his record from the Japanese side that his marriage is null and void with the Japanese woman because he is already married in the Philippines. He must have declared he is single at the time that's is the reason why he managed to marry the Japanese woman.
You will need a private investigator who can act on your behalf or do it yourself to chase after him in Japan. Because the falsification happens outside Philippines jurisdiction but will have a chance to get him under Japan's jurisdictions. This is the only way you can go about it! Otherwise suing him under Philippines jurisdiction has no standing.



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5 Re: karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:11 pm

AWV


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Remember Gabby Concepcion's case? He is already married in America when he marries Sharon Cuneta and his first wife's driver reported his marriage in the Philippines and they arrested Gabby Concepcion when he went home because the second marriage which is bigamous happens in the Philippines. But in the end he was actually acquitted.

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6 Re: karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:07 pm

concepab


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I agree, but as just like what i said; concubinage or bigamy is quite difficult to pursue because of some reason, that is why i recommended RA9262.

With the case of Rose and her hubby, nauna silang ikasal sa pinas bago pa ang kasal with the  Japanese girl. And if my memory serves me right, maaring invalid ang kasal ni lalaki sa Japanese girl because of the main requirement from the side of the Pinoy; the legal capacity to get married. (this is base on my experience. ilang Japanese at Pinay/Pinoy na din ang nilakad ko ang kasal). IMO, fake ang mga documents na ipinasa ni lalaki sa Japan kaya sila naikasal ni Girly Japanesa. In this case, i strongly see RA9262 as the most appropriate case. plus if possible, falsification of public documents.

I hope our lawyers here can share their opinions as well, in this particular case.

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7 Re: karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:04 pm

AWV


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That's if the husband still goes back the Philippines, then she might have a chance to file a case RA9262 but if he already obtained Japanese citizenship, She needs to chase after him in Japan because the bigamous marriage happen in Japan not in the Philippines. If he were married twice in the Philippines then he is in for bigamy case otherwise the bigamous happens in Japan and its under Japan jurisdictions.

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8 Re: karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:15 pm

concepab


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AWV wrote:That's if the husband still goes back the Philippines, then she might have a chance to file a case RA9262 but if he already obtained Japanese citizenship, She needs to chase after him in Japan because the bigamous marriage happen in Japan not in the Philippines. If he were married twice in the Philippines then he is in for bigamy case otherwise the bigamous happens in Japan and its under Japan jurisdictions.

As I've said, because of some complication, RA9262 is the most appropriate. And she can file it even if the husband is in Japan.

When is comes to bigamy, saying that the husband cannot be prosecuted because the bigamous marriage happened in Japan, well, that is the long belief. As far as i know even the Supreme court have not yet decided if that argument is correct.

IMO, considering the elements of the crime, being legally married in Philippines, that alone already made the husband liable for bigamy. if not because of that marriage, his marriage in Japan will be valid in Philippines. We should also consider the fact that the crime was committed when he is still a Filipino citizen.

The case of Gabby did not reached Supreme Court.

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9 Re: karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:00 pm

AWV


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But you have to consider her situation she has NO MONEY, in order to chase after her arsehole husband she should have enough money to sue him! I doubt PAO will even spend time with her. And she should get hold of his marriage certificate from Japan to use as an evidence for bigamy. If you know the jurisdistion, Japan is outside Philippines jurisdication. This things are not easy to prove unless she go to Japan and sort it out herself, that's if she knows where he is exactly residing, otherwise she's like searching needle in the middle of the forest!
The second live-in partner who has been in Japan cannot go back neither because she is already black listed in Japanese immigration.
I work abroad pretty much been in many places and I know so many Filipino/Filipina who are married back home and also married where they are living! They don't go back to Philippines anymore for decade. The Philippine Embassy cannot help them unless they hire an investigator and send their lawyer to represent them outside Philippines. BUT ONLY RICH PEOPLE CAN DO THIS!!! Otherwise, she can keep her case open in the Philippines until he returns, that is if she has enough evidence to nail him then the case might prosper.

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10 Re: karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:28 pm

AWV


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Also we cannot assume that his marriage to the Japanese woman is null and void, this is only under Philippines jurisdictions if he is married twice in the Philippines the second marrriage is regarded as NULL and VOID! We have different law to other country all together. It maybe null and void in the Philippines jurisdictions but not in another counrty's jurisdictions.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_marriage_laws

In some countries, the registration of a marriage means that it cannot later be declared invalid, since it has been accepted by the government. In Taiwan, which follows a variation of the Napoleonic Code (received by way of Japan), the presumption is that each country maintains a central registry of its citizens, including their marital status. If a Taiwan citizen marries in another country, however, this information may not find its way into the records. Many thousands of ROC soldiers who came to Taiwan in 1949 left behind wives in mainland China, but married local Taiwanese women. Since the two polities did not share records, the result was a pattern of legally recognized second marriages, despite the ban on polygamy by both sides of the Taiwan Strait. Today, foreigners wishing to marry Taiwan citizens must present letters from their countries' representative offices testifying that they are not already married (CENOMAR). (Of course a determined bigamist might marry in some third country.) In the case of countries which lack centralized family records (such as the USA), a notarized affidavit is accepted.

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11 Re: karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:28 pm

concepab


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As i've said, again, my opinion is, because of some complication, she should proceed with RA9262 instead of concubinage and/or bigamy. I ‘am fully aware of the complexity of that kind of bigamous marriage – however my stands is firm.

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12 Re: karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:34 pm

AWV


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RA9262 will only move forward if the accused is in the country, otherwise the case will remain pending because the accused is no where to find unless she knows his exact address in Japan so they can send the copy of the demand to him! Otherwise, how can she chase after him?

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13 Re: karapatan para sa aming magiina. on Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:45 pm

mdventura


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AWV wrote:Also we cannot assume that his marriage to the Japanese woman is null and void, this is only under Philippines jurisdictions if he is married twice in the Philippines the second marrriage is regarded as NULL and VOID! We have different law to other country all together. It maybe null and void in the Philippines jurisdictions but not in another counrty's jurisdictions.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_marriage_laws

In some countries, the registration of a marriage means that it cannot later be declared invalid, since it has been accepted by the government. In Taiwan, which follows a variation of the Napoleonic Code (received by way of Japan), the presumption is that each country maintains a central registry of its citizens, including their marital status. If a Taiwan citizen marries in another country, however, this information may not find its way into the records. Many thousands of ROC soldiers who came to Taiwan in 1949 left behind wives in mainland China, but married local Taiwanese women. Since the two polities did not share records, the result was a pattern of legally recognized second marriages, despite the ban on polygamy by both sides of the Taiwan Strait. Today, foreigners wishing to marry Taiwan citizens must present letters from their countries' representative offices testifying that they are not already married (CENOMAR). (Of course a determined bigamist might marry in some third country.) In the case of countries which lack centralized family records (such as the USA), a notarized affidavit is accepted.

So true! even here in the US there are lots of foreigners who are married back in their country and not all of them can be sued for maintenance because they can't afford to, they cannot chase after them abroad and in the states they do not get involve in a case outside their jurisdiction not unless its about terrorism.

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