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Issuing an NTE

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1 Issuing an NTE on Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:03 pm

khershey24


Arresto Menor
Hi Admin,

Hopefully someone could help my friend. She was given a NTE 2 weeks ago and proper procedure was observed.(1st NTE is for pending decision) After a week another NTE was served for the same reason but for a different incident but the incident happened prior to the first NTE. First NTE incident was for November 2016 and 2nd is February of 2016. If the employee already answered the first NTE and the 2nd NTE is for the same reason. I would like to know if the 2nd NTE is still valid or does she still have to answer the 2nd NTE since she will provide the same response?


Thank you,

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2 Re: Issuing an NTE on Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:06 am

lukekyle


Reclusion Perpetua
NTE is a notice to explain. its not a sanction or a penalty. answer it. failure to do so would mean you are giving up your right to be heard on the particular issue

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3 Re: Issuing an NTE on Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:38 pm

jp1032


Arresto Menor
Pede po bang maissuehan ng preventive suspension ng 30-days without pay kapag puro alleged or verbally lang yung ebidensya ng employer against sa iyo?

Kasi nangyari pinatawag kami isa isa tapos binigyan ng NTE ang mali lang namin pinirmahan namin kasi medyo nagulat kami regarding sa isang allegation against sa amin?


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4 Re: Issuing an NTE on Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:45 pm

mikos23


Reclusion Perpetua
NTE ay notice lang sa inyo para ipaliwanag ninyo ang side ninyo sa alleged violation ng rules and regulation. wag kayo matakot sa nte kasi di yan penalty.

Regarding sa preventive suspension pwede kayo patawan nito kahit alleged violation pa lang kung ang violation ninyo ay dahil sa 1. threat to person at 2. threat to property.

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5 Re: Issuing an NTE on Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:59 pm

jp1032


Arresto Menor
^ san ba pede icategorized ang alleged selling of installation materials na leftover or unused ? sa no.2 ba?

Kung napatunayan na mali yung alleged violations, ano mga pede namin gawing next step kung pede ba namin kasuhan yung nagbintang sa amin or humihingi ng danyos para sa length of suspension namin na without pay during investigation.

TIA.

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6 Re: Issuing an NTE on Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:04 am

lukekyle


Reclusion Perpetua
pwede mong kasuhan yung nagbintang but you have to prove that there was malice involved. this would be a personal case though and not a labor related one.

pwede mo din hingilin na bayaran ka para dun sa time na suspended ka but you have to prove na mali ang basis nila for suspension

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7 Re: Issuing an NTE on Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:52 am

jp1032


Arresto Menor
Yung company ano pedeng ikaso sa ganyan case? lalo na may kapalit agad kami kahit di pa kami nagpapasa ng RL? Pede ba silang kasuhan na ginamit nila yung alleged violation na ang purpose pala nila ay iforce resign kami ?

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8 Re: Issuing an NTE on Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:08 am

mikos23


Reclusion Perpetua
nag resign ba kayo?

NTE pa lang naman ang processo so pinapa explain pa lang ang nangyari ayon sa inyo, kung nagpasa kayo ng resignation, tapos ang processo at mahirap patunayan na "force" ang inyong resignation.

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9 Re: Issuing an NTE on Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:17 am

lukekyle


Reclusion Perpetua
"forced" resignation only occurs if tinakot kayo with physical harm para mag resign. Example: tinutukan kayo ng baril para mag sign sa resignation, or sinabi na hindi kayo makakauwi hanggang di kayo nag resign.

If sinabi na i-terminate kayo if hindi kayo mag resign, then they are giving you the option to resign or face termination. Hindi yan "forced".

Wala kayong pwedeng ikaso sa companya kasi wala pa silang ginagawa. Hindi labag sa batas na mag hire sila ng kapalit. wait muna, if tinanggal kayo (meron nang notice of termination) and hindi sila sumunod sa proceso or feeling nyo hindi makatarungan ang pag tanggal sa inyo then saka kayo pwedeng mag file ng complaint

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10 Re: Issuing an NTE on Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:50 am

jp1032


Arresto Menor
balak naman sana namin isabay yung RL sa NTE kasi kahihiyan para sa amin yung akusahan kami ng ganun kahit walang proof. Pero balak namin kasuhan ung nag akusa sa amin. Kahit mga ibang katrabaho at nga kakilala namin iba na trato sa amin.

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11 Re: Issuing an NTE on Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:38 am

lukekyle


Reclusion Perpetua
If ganun then hindi kayo ni "forced resign". I dont see how you can file any charges against the company at this time.

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12 Re: Issuing an NTE on Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:30 pm

jp1032


Arresto Menor
Eto pa po Atty,

Pede pa ba silang magdagdag or magbigay ng another NTE bukod dun sa naunang NTE during duration ng pagreply namin sa NTE? at saka need pa ba namin magbigay ng docs na work-related kung naisurrender na lahat ng laptops at mga work-related tools/equipment na inissue sa amin?

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13 Re: Issuing an NTE on Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:36 pm

lukekyle


Reclusion Perpetua
yes to both questions

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14 Re: Issuing an NTE on Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:09 pm

jp1032


Arresto Menor
atty, bale yung mga files namin kahit yung mga raw files nasa laptop naissurender na siya pero ang gusto nila magprovide kami ng mga documents which are wala na sa possession namin.

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15 Re: Issuing an NTE on Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:19 pm

HrDude


Reclusion Perpetua
As an HR specialist, if during investigation the employee submits a resignation letter rather than be subjected to it, there is a DISPUTABLE PRESUMPTION that GUILT exists.

If this presumption is left undisputed, the same will amount to an ASSUMPTION which an inference of guilt can be taken from to determine the liability of an employee.

"atty bale yung mga files namin ay nasa laptop naissurender na siya pero ang gusto nila magprovide kami ng mga documents which are wala na sa possession namin." - kung wala sa inyong documents e sabihin nyong wala but you have to still be subjected to an investigation.

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16 Re: Issuing an NTE on Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:59 am

jp1032


Arresto Menor
mga atty, eto pa po

kapag nagpasa ako ng resignation kunwari start today august 5 - sept 5, tapos naapproved ng august 7. May karapatan pa ba silang bigyan ulet ako ng another NTE kapag signed na yung RL ko?

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17 Re: Issuing an NTE on Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:40 pm

council

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Reclusion Perpetua
jp1032 wrote:mga atty, eto pa po

kapag nagpasa ako ng resignation kunwari start today august 5 - sept 5, tapos naapproved ng august 7. May karapatan pa ba silang bigyan ulet ako ng another NTE kapag signed na yung RL ko?

Habang empleyado ka pa at meron naman talagang nakitang posibleng kasalanan o paglabag sa patakaran ng kumpanya, pwede ka pa rin bigyan ng NTE.


Looking at the same situation differently:

Hindi naman pwedeng pabayaan na lang ang paglabag sa patakaran o batas, kahit na nakapagbigay ng ng resignation letter, kung (kunwari) nagnakaw ang isang empleyado ng telepono ng ka-opisina, o kaya nakasira ng company property.

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18 Re: Issuing an NTE on Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:11 pm

jp1032


Arresto Menor
council wrote:
jp1032 wrote:mga atty, eto pa po

kapag nagpasa ako ng resignation kunwari start today august 5 - sept 5, tapos naapproved ng august 7. May karapatan pa ba silang bigyan ulet ako ng another NTE kapag signed na yung RL ko?

Habang empleyado ka pa at meron naman talagang nakitang posibleng kasalanan o paglabag sa patakaran ng kumpanya, pwede ka pa rin bigyan ng NTE.


Looking at the same situation differently:

Hindi naman pwedeng pabayaan na lang ang paglabag sa patakaran o batas, kahit na nakapagbigay ng ng resignation letter, kung (kunwari) nagnakaw ang isang empleyado ng telepono ng ka-opisina, o kaya nakasira ng company property.

Assuming po na wala talagang kasalanan at confident ako, gusto ko na talagang umalis kaso naunahan lang bigyan ng NTE. After ko maipasa ang reply ko sa NTE pero nasira na yung reputasyon ko at pangalan sa kumpanya kahit di naman totoo yung allegations.

Pede po ba ako magpasa ng immediate resignation sa mismong araw ng pagpasa ang effectivity? Pasok po ba siya sa Article 285?

Or ano ano po yung scenario na pasok sa Article 285?

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